Kelly Irwin
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...This is one of my concerns, too...What would you do? Have the valves replaced (at 77, I'm not as big a fan of DIY as I used to be) preemptively or leave the valves in place until they leak?
I hear you, and want to do the same thing. But I still hear my old NCOs telling me, "Private, if it ain't broke, don't fix it."What would I do? It's on my list to change mine out to quarter-turn (ball) shut offs, braided toilet connectors. I'll use crimp ring valves.
Well, Rick, it's just one of those things. Someone trying to save a few minutes of time, a few dollars. These things WILL work. They are EASY to install. They are ONE PIECE so no getting a separate valve and hose. They must be CHEAPER compared to other solutions factoring in cost and time. But, they are only available in the commercial market--where? I don't know. There's one plumbing company here in the Carolinas (Price Brothers, if anyone's interested) and they do only new construction, and this is what they use. They bid the work like anyone else. As long as things pass inspection and last beyond the warranty period, the plumber (who works for the builder) and the builder don't really care too much.Wow, I've never seen these before. I can't believe these exist. Thank you for posting and thanks for everyone explaining how to remove them.
Yeah it keeps the plumbers busy alright I bet. But it would also keep the flooring people busy, cabinet people busy, and god knows who else busy when a brand new house is flooded from such cheap crap. Wow.Well, Rick, it's just one of those things. Someone trying to save a few minutes of time, a few dollars. These things WILL work. They are EASY to install. They are ONE PIECE so no getting a separate valve and hose. They must be CHEAPER compared to other solutions factoring in cost and time. But, they are only available in the commercial market--where? I don't know. There's one plumbing company here in the Carolinas (Price Brothers, if anyone's interested) and they do only new construction, and this is what they use. They bid the work like anyone else. As long as things pass inspection and last beyond the warranty period, the plumber (who works for the builder) and the builder don't really care too much.
It keeps the OTHER plumbers busy!
To be totally fair, they are not failing quickly on newly built homes. The development where I get a lot of work has most homes in its first phase about 9-11 years old now. They are starting to have some things fail, such as water heaters, these valves...smoke detectors need to be replaced, etc. But these valve failures do cause a lot of damage...hence the HOA sending out the directive to have them changed.Yeah it keeps the plumbers busy alright I bet. But it would also keep the flooring people busy, cabinet people busy, and god knows who else busy when a brand new house is flooded from such cheap crap. Wow.
Crimp ring valves? I've heard of Sharkbite. Is it something like that?It's on my list to change mine out to quarter-turn (ball) shut offs, braided toilet connectors. I'll use crimp ring valves.
I'm not a plumber, and I don't generally think most plumbers would like to be dictated to as to how they work. I believe that plumbers, like many contractors, have their own way of working, their preferred ways of doing things, honed from years of experience. The best of them will explain to you why they are doing something a certain way or why they prefer one brand over another. I recently hired a plumber to install some gas line for me; he told me exactly what he used and why he used it. I told him the way I would have done it (with black iron pipe) and he gave me plenty of reasons why not to use that in my application. Very forthwith his choices and reasons.Crimp ring valves? I've heard of Sharkbite. Is it something like that?
When I get bids from plumbers, how should I word the work to be done so all are bidding on the same job?
Could be. But that FlowTite valve/line thing is a fairly new contraption, and since it's generally only available to pros and only in limited places, its probably unlikely it was used as a re-fit on old pipe. But who knows...in any case I'm sure you would not choose to use them.The OP may not have pex
Actually, PEX it is. Better than that, the builder also put a panel in the garage that's like an electrical circuit breaker box only for all the PEX lines, letting me close, for example, the water to the upstairs bathroom sink without affecting the water to the rest of the house.The OP may not have pex
You’re not the original poster, Kelly Irwin is.Actually, PEX it is. Better than that, the builder also put a panel in the garage that's like an electrical circuit breaker box only for all the PEX lines, letting me close, for example, the water to the upstairs bathroom sink without affecting the water to the rest of the house.
Mitchell, on not telling the plumber what shutoff valve I want, isn't that like going to a mechanic for an oil change and letting HIM select the oil and the filter? To continue the analogy, I might say the oil shouldn't be synthetic, has to be SN or better, has to be 5W-30, and the filter has to be a <insert favorite brand>.
I'm just looking for the right words to use -- or product recommendations -- when I look for plumbers to do this job. I'm not trying to take advantage of them. Am not even worried about being taken advantage of. Just want to make sure the best valves available are used, and I don't know what to ask for.
That's what I was looking for, thanks. Never heard of either of these companies, but when a professional plumber endorses them, that's good enough for me.All stop valves will eventually fail. Every one of them. What’s the best is a matter of opinion.
Get a name brand like Brasscraft or Dahl and wait for it to fail, because it’s going to fail.
Brasscraft is very common, you'll see their products everywhere.That's what I was looking for, thanks. Never heard of either of these companies, but when a professional plumber endorses them, that's good enough for me.
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