Is this a 90 degree turn to shut off?

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  1. Oct 26, 2019 #1

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    Post a less blurry pic showing the lettering molded into the valve, and also a pic of the valve from the side.
     
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    I don’t recognize that type of shutoff valve, but it does look pretty junky.

    The handle is small, which typically you get with a 1/4 turn type.

    If possible, I would just change it for a better one from Home Depot, other big box, or a hardware store.
    Brasscraft is a decent brand you will see sold everywhere.
     
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    it is original to the house 2002 so I will replace, Thank You!
     
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    Those are 1/4 turn. Replace with new compression 1/4 turn angle stop
     
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    The Taiwan stamped on the side lets you know it needs to be tossed out as soon as possible.
     
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    Looks like the compression fitting may be leaking as well, so you may have to pull the ferrule and replace it as well. Be sure to clean the pipe thoroughly. Here's a decent 30-second video (that runs for over 5 minutes) showing all this: , and related videos show how to install the new valve.
     
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    Her video presentation is ok, but OMFG her horrible screeching sing-song voice is unbearable.
    At least at the start of her video, way beyond irritating.
    She gets less annoying as she goes.

    I have always been able to coax the brass compression rings off by setting a Crescent type wrench just a little wider than the copper pipe, then placing it on the pipe and tapping the ring gradually off with the face of the wrench.

    Once in a while, I need to get the ring started by just barely grabbing it with a Vice Grip type wrench, then twisting it back and forth while pulling it off, to get it out of the groove that can form under the ring.

    Of course, about 95% of the time you can re-use the old ferrule and nut that are already on there, if you buy a new valve with compatible threads.
     
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    What did you listen to the video with, a cell phone? I didn't think it sounded bad at all.

    Break down and spend a buck on a new ferrule.:eek:
     
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    There is always a new ferrule and nut on hand, since they come as part of the new supply stop, shutoff valve, whatever.

    Some are compatible with the old parts, but not always.

    But most often I find myself jammed upside down in a tiny vanity, wedged into a small door opening and begging for a quick death.
    Or stuck in a kitchen sink cabinet with a disposer and drain plumbing taking up all my elbow and head room.
    Or working behind a toilet, dealing with replacing a supply valve that was installed 40 years ago, when there was no toilet in the way, or piss on the floor.
    So if leaving the old ferrule and nut is ok, I do it.
    Clean it up with vinegar and a plastic scrubbie sponge, install new valve, crank it tight.
    If it leaks, crank tighter, if still leaking I change the old nut and ferrule.
     
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    And yes, listening on a cell phone, but a good iPhone with decent speakers.
    I am 62, still excellent hearing, so maybe her high frequency screeching, vocal fry, and folksy sing-song style in the beginning was just not to my taste, and she did get more relaxed and tolerable as she went on.
     
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    I'd likely do the same with the ferrule.

    I use a computer with 4 speakers so sound is a bit different for me.
     
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    I am usually not a fan of the you tube type videos, but I too liked it, and might look for this ferrule remover. I've seen the guillotine type, done the hack saw trick, but I like this type the best, since short clearances don't obstruct the operation.
     
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    Yes I did this no problem. I have a pulling tool but I don't pull the old one unless it doesn't work out.
     
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    I've tried 'em all. I'm not a professional plumber, but I am a tool junkie, and this puller was the best $40 (gasp!) (but only 20 minutes' work for the plumbers in my area) I'd spent in a long time. Used it a few times, HAD to use it once (clearance issue), worth every penny. Only place I've found it is direct from the manufacturer: http://englishtoolco.com/.
     
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    I liked this video. She explained things very well for someone that has never replaced a valve before. Usually I leave the old
    nut and ferrule on and put the new valve on and save the new nut and ferrule for another time. The tool would be nice to have
    if you ever needed it.
     
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