Can I have help finding a Wi-Fi controlled ON/OFF Timer for my water heater's recirculator pump?

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And then there is this:

IPC 607.2.1 Circulation Systems...
607.2.1 Circulation Systems and Heat Trace Systems for Maintaining Heated Water Temperature in Distribution Systems

For Group R2, R3 and R4 occupancies that are three stories or less in height above ggrade plane, the installation of heated water circulation and temperature maintenance systems shall be in accordance with Section R403.5.1 of the International Energy Conservation Code accordance with Section R403.5.1 of the International Energy Conservation Code. For other than Group R2, R3 and R4 occupancies that are three stories or less in heightabove grade plane, the installation of heated water circulation and heat trace systems shall be in accordance with Section C404.6 of the International Energy Conservation Code.

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"R403.5.1.1 Circulation Systems

Heated water circulation systems shall be provided with a circulation pump. The system return pipe shall be a dedicated return pipe or a cold water supply pipe. Gravity and thermo-syphon circulation systems shall be prohibited. Controls for circulating hot water system pumps shall start the pump based on the identification of a demand for hot water within the occupancy. The controls shall automatically turn off the pump when the water in the circulation loop is at the desired temperature and when there is no demand for hot water."
 

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NO! Basically just saying that you can't speculate on how the system may function when, like you say you have no clue as to how it's piped.
But you don't have to worry about any of that. You have a functioning system and you are happy about how it's doing.
You're right
 

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And then there is this:

IPC 607.2.1 Circulation Systems...
607.2.1 Circulation Systems and Heat Trace Systems for Maintaining Heated Water Temperature in Distribution Systems

For Group R2, R3 and R4 occupancies that are three stories or less in height above ggrade plane, the installation of heated water circulation and temperature maintenance systems shall be in accordance with Section R403.5.1 of the International Energy Conservation Code accordance with Section R403.5.1 of the International Energy Conservation Code. For other than Group R2, R3 and R4 occupancies that are three stories or less in heightabove grade plane, the installation of heated water circulation and heat trace systems shall be in accordance with Section C404.6 of the International Energy Conservation Code.

International Energy Conservation Code 2015
"R403.5.1.1 Circulation Systems

Heated water circulation systems shall be provided with a circulation pump. The system return pipe shall be a dedicated return pipe or a cold water supply pipe. Gravity and thermo-syphon circulation systems shall be prohibited. Controls for circulating hot water system pumps shall start the pump based on the identification of a demand for hot water within the occupancy. The controls shall automatically turn off the pump when the water in the circulation loop is at the desired temperature and when there is no demand for hot water."
Thanks but that's all way over my head. I'm not a plumber so the regulations don't really matter to me. 👍😃
 

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I wanted to come back and thank you guys for your help. I love how this Aqua-Stat has made things work. I'm going to add this timer in the power cord when it gets here so I can let the recirculation pump rest every night while we're all asleep. I had to get this goofy shaped timer since the water heater is too close to the wall to use the normal kink of plug-in timer.

Everybody in my family thinks I'm a hero even though I've told them it was you guys on this forum.

Thanks 👍👍👍👍👍
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I installed a similar Grundfos recirc pump with the timer built into it, and have used it for the last 5 years. The bathrooms have instant hot and the only faucet which gets 5 seconds of lukewarm water is the one with the added hot water switch (the black doohickey below), which is mounted under the sink in the kitchen. Since we have an R/O system for cold water, we never need cold water at that sink to drink. By the way, as with the original poster, I too live in Southern California, about an hour N/E of Jeff Davis, and the price of water has climbed 60% in just the last 2 years, so reducing water consumption is paramount.watts-water-heater-accessories-0955800-64_300.jpg
 

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I installed a similar Grundfos recirc pump with the timer built into it, and have used it for the last 5 years. The bathrooms have instant hot and the only faucet which gets 5 seconds of lukewarm water is the one with the added hot water switch (the black doohickey below), which is mounted under the sink in the kitchen. Since we have an R/O system for cold water, we never need cold water at that sink to drink. By the way, as with the original poster, I too live in Southern California, about an hour N/E of Jeff Davis, and the price of water has climbed 60% in just the last 2 years, so reducing water consumption is paramount.View attachment 24237
My Grundfos recirc pump without a built-in timer was installed in 1993 when this tract was being built by Standard Pacific and we have used it trouble-free for the last 27 years.
It had an external timer that had a battery backup in it, so that sounds good, right? Only this was some bogus old timer that lost all of its programming whenever you took out the battery every year or so to replace it. Reprogramming it wasn't easy. Stuff wasn't very user friendly back then.
You end up needing to look up how in some online Vintage Timer Manuals sites to figure it out (I finally made a Word doc).
Anyhow, I wasn't too unhappy to chuck that timer a few years ago when it finally stopped working.
Since you live in a warm area like I do, let me ask you this, is your water heater & Aqua-Stat in an area that's not air conditioned like mine is? If it's in an un-air conditioned garage, does the hot garage affect how well it works in the summer vs the winter? I can guess that in the summer the Aqua-Stat won't cool as quickly as the home's hot water pipes cool down since they are in walls and under counters that are partly cooled by the a/c, so it wouldn't start the recirculation pump often enough?
 
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My pump is in an outside water heater enclosure. The pump only activates until the doohickey reached I believe 105 degrees. If the water is hot, it will sense the heat, and shut down until the next timed demand.
 

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My pump is in an outside water heater enclosure. The pump only activates until the doohickey reached I believe 105 degrees. If the water is hot, it will sense the heat, and shut down until the next timed demand.
My understanding is that these Grundfos Aqua-Stats keep the water pipe that it is sensing between 105° and 115° and that the timer only tells it whether or not you want it to do that based on the hours you have the timer set to turn it to ON, pretty much exactly like how a Christmas tree light timer works.
So, from what little I know and I'm pretty sure I'm right even though I'm just a homeowner, if the Aqua-Stat stops the recirculation pump, it won't wait until gets back around to ON again since it will still be at ON. So it will immediately start it recirculating again.
I'm positive that's how it works or at least that's how mine works since my timer has nothing to do with anything except for when the pump is fed power so that if the Aqua-Stat switch, which is just a switch that's turned ON & OFF by the temperature it senses, reaches its ON (connect) or OFF (disconnect) temperature.
 

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I use the under-sink doohickies everywhere and Alexa controls the pump on/off. Works great, no wiring required.
 

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I'm so happy with how things work for us now. Thanks everyone for all the help on this long thread that started off with such an oddly worded Question. I might try to re-word it to make it more relevant but I don't know if this site will let me Delete any irrelevant Replies on the first 3 or 4 pages that aren't mine. 😉
Anyhow, I got this special $12 corded timer on Amazon since my normal Christmas tree timer wouldn't fit back there. The water heater is too close to the wall for any timers that I could find to be put in without my first moving the water heater.
Now even my recirculation pump can sleep at night and take naps all day long. It's one well rested machine. 😉
Here's a photo of that plus another of my Aqua-Stat that I so excellently installed with my wire nuts exposed.
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So my Grundfos pump has a built in timer, with 15 minute increments, and does exactly what yours does. Seems 8 pages of dialog could have been resolved with just an upgraded pump?
 
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