Pot filler Install

[Mitchell-DIY-Guy]

I do a LOT of cooking. The concept of a “faucet” in a home w/o a corresponding drain beneath is abhorrent to my senses. My life in the kitchen is just fine w/o a pot filler. Just another thing to leak and catch cooking grime above a stove.

It was from my car wash repair company’s tech who would repair equipment for me (and was an amazing plumber and electrician and mechanic) that I learned to use both teflon tape and thread sealant together. Their sealant of choice was always Loctite 567. Not cheap and you’d only find it at Grainger. They were brand sensitive on tape, too. LaCo SlicTite, again not easy to find, but noticeably easier to use.

 

[havasu]

 

[JeffreyWisc]

I don't meet any of those requirements. I have had this thing in a box for a long time because this house is an enormous project and we ordered things in anticipation of needing them at a time when things were taking seemingly forever to be available due to Covid/supply chain issues.

It won't be the end of the world if I just keep it. Maybe I could make a dog wash with it, I have a floor drain in my garage so at least if my new dog wash explodes off the wall, the water will drain to the floor. Oh well.

My wife ordered this, and I never had the chance to read the reviews, or and really believed Kohler would not sell such a bad design. There are 11 reviews I think, 2-3 of them mention tragic leaking! We are going to be filming a cooking show (my wife went to culinary school, is a lifelong hobbyist chef and has been told so many times she should do an online show) and maybe I will leave it installed and give Kohler some free publicity by telling the story of why it is a piece of art and not a functioning pot filler.

 

[havasu]

I see the reviews and ratings on this pot filler are pretty low.

Regardless of time, I'd give them a call, speak to their supervisor, and ask them to help make this problem go away.

The Kohler reps I've spoken to have always been very understanding and bent over backwards to help me out...but again, since the covid plandemic, customer service everywhere has dropped in the shitter.

 

[Twowaxhack]

K-22066-VS

https://www.kohler.com/en/products/...ze-wall-mount-pot-filler-22066?skuId=22066-VS

I don’t care for that design. The set screw holding the faucet to the adapter is what I have a problem with.

Orings making a seal isn’t anything new but with one set screw holding it all together is a crappy design.

Sloan valves use one oring to connect full water pressure to their valves but they use a large nut and clip to hold the joint together.

I’d make kohler take that back or swap it for one that doesn’t use that adapter with the two orings. They all don’t use it.

 

[Twowaxhack]

I’d also like to post that I do not recommend any kohler products except their basket strainers for kitchen sinks.

In my opinion kohler is over engineered garbage.

 

[JeffreyWisc]

I don’t care for that design. The set screw holding the faucet to the adapter is what I have a problem with.

Orings making a seal isn’t anything new but with one set screw holding it all together is a crappy design.

Sloan valves use one oring to connect full water pressure to their valves but they use a large nut and clip to hold the joint together.

I’d make kohler take that back or swap it for one that doesn’t use that adapter with the two orings. They all don’t use it.

As an inexperienced person, I will tell you the overall weight, appearance and fit and finish seems to be really nice quality. What do I know?

I will be conversing with Kohler, however if it comes out and a different one is put in, the odd shaped base of this one which required one large hole and 4 small holes to be drilled through a new tile backsplash is going to be something that I will have to fix.

In short, that angers me. I may just leave it in, not sure yet.

 

[JeffreyWisc]

I don’t care for that design. The set screw holding the faucet to the adapter is what I have a problem with.

Orings making a seal isn’t anything new but with one set screw holding it all together is a crappy design.

Sloan valves use one oring to connect full water pressure to their valves but they use a large nut and clip to hold the joint together.

I’d make kohler take that back or swap it for one that doesn’t use that adapter with the two orings. They all don’t use it.

I agree with your entire post. I knew it looked funky when I began the install, but being in Wisconsin and I guess being subjected to the marketing of Kohler which seems indicative of a decent company I have had good luck with this far, I didn't trust my gut and went ahead with the install.

We all live and learn.

 

[havasu]

Tile is easily replaced.

 

[Twowaxhack]

I agree with your entire post. I knew it looked funky when I began the install, but being in Wisconsin and I guess being subjected to the marketing of Kohler which seems indicative of a decent company I have had good luck with this far, I didn't trust my gut and went ahead with the install.

We all live and learn.

I’d be checking that set screw everytime I left the house

 

[Twowaxhack]

As an inexperienced person, I will tell you the overall weight, appearance and fit and finish seems to be really nice quality. What do I know?

I will be conversing with Kohler, however if it comes out and a different one is put in, the odd shaped base of this one which required one large hole and 4 small holes to be drilled through a new tile backsplash is going to be something that I will have to fix.

In short, that angers me. I may just leave it in, not sure yet.

Kohler uses great materials and their products look and feel great. The problem in my opinion is crappy engineering. They go out of their way to make things complicated and that is their downfall, again IMO.

The kohler pot fillers I’ve seen use that flange that you drill the 4 screw holes for but the valve itself threads onto the nipple. You’ve shown me the first one that uses a set screw. I’d probably refuse to install that.

Many thanks for showing me that so I can recommend my customers not purchase it.

 

[JeffreyWisc]

Tile is easily replaced.

I will add it to the list of roughly 10,000 other things that I have going on with the house.

 

[JeffreyWisc]

I’d be checking that set screw everytime I left the house

For sure!

 

[JeffreyWisc]

Kohler uses great materials and their products look and feel great. The problem in my opinion is crappy engineering. They go out of their way to make things complicated and that is their downfall, again IMO.

The kohler pot fillers I’ve seen use that flange that you drill the 4 screw holes for but the valve itself threads onto the nipple. You’ve shown me the first one that uses a set screw. I’d probably refuse to install that.

Many thanks for showing me that so I can recommend my customers not purchase it.

Kohler basically told us to pound sand as the product they sold us "hasn't failed yet." Okay, so I can install it, be a white knuckled, worrying mess every day until it fails? Pass. I think we will shop another brand.
It's a really expensive bunch of kitchen cabinetry, appliances and flooring that would be at risk if this Kohler bad design did ever fail.

Let the buyer beware!

 

[Twowaxhack]

Kohler basically told us to pound sand as the product they sold us "hasn't failed yet." Okay, so I can install it, be a white knuckled, worrying mess every day until it fails? Pass. I think we will shop another brand.
It's a really expensive bunch of kitchen cabinetry, appliances and flooring that would be at risk if this Kohler bad design did ever fail.

Let the buyer beware!

See why I don’t recommend Kohler ? Of course you do.

Kohler provided me with some of the worst customer service I’ve EVER experienced Period from any company plumbing related or not.

 

[havasu]

I wonder if @Kohler will pick up this thread?

 

[JeffreyWisc]

It may be a blessing in disguise. We never thought we would use it all the time or that we needed really badly, it is just because we can, so why not have it? so...

I wonder if @Kohler will pick up this thread?

It may be more fun to keep it mounted on the backsplash as I have plenty of ideas to feature it (and it's uselessness) on our show which will go into production next year.

 

[Twowaxhack]

You will be hearing a lot of plumbers saying tape AND dope. However, in industrial installations, I've NEVER seen a specification that allows both tape and dope on the same joint. Using both is often cited as strictly forbidden.

So, I NEVER use both and actually rarely use tape, except for some compressed air connections. A good quality dope is the choice for me.

And that has worked great for all my connections, and my wife's pot filler hasn't leaked since it was installed 7 years ago or so.

Ran across this last night while looking for some stainless fittings and thought about your post.

 

[MicEd69]

Ran across this last night while looking for some stainless fittings and thought about your post.

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Yes, they are using both tape and dope to minimize galling between stainless fittings.

As I said, in industrial applications, using tape and dope on the same joint is often forbidden.

And besides some plumbers, apparently some plumbing suppliers also suggest using both tape and dope. Just realize that Boshart isn't suggesting using both sealing methods as a sealing medium, but as a gall preventative.

 

[Twowaxhack]

Yes, they are using both tape and dope to minimize galling between stainless fittings.

As I said, in industrial applications, using tape and dope on the same joint is often forbidden.

And besides some plumbers, apparently some plumbing suppliers also suggest using both tape and dope. Just realize that Boshart isn't suggesting using both sealing methods as a sealing medium, but as a gall preventative.

Uh huh but they’re still recommending it. It’s certainly not forbidden.

I’m a plumber, so I’m taking the about plumbing. The type that you sit on to take a crap.