Well I think I spoke too soon. There is a little bit of moisture behind the very back of the toilet The wax ring is the normal size, but maybe it wasn't tall enough with the flange sitting a little below the floor. Since the red one didn't sit flush, due to the bolts, I am going to try the "fluidmaster better than was" seal. as it goes on the top on the bolts and not directly over them. (this is the blue seal. This time should go a lot faster after having done it once before!