Stubborn wall plate

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I'm trying to change my shower head, but my old wall connect points downwards with a sturdy wall plate I can't remove (see pictures). I've tried to jiggle it loose around the black rubber, but it still feels very firm. Is it attached to the tile permanently? Or should I just use more muscle?

Also, any advice on removing the shower bar? Equally stubborn with no screws or caps in sight.

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for the wall elbow, I usually use the shank of a 4 in 1 screwdriver placed in the opening.
sorry, don't recognize the bar...
 

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