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Jeff Handy

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I think the local town is saying that with a property that big, they don’t care where or how he dumps his sewage, as long as it all remains on his property.
He could just dig a big hole and fill it with sewage.
Then dig a new one as needed etc.
Not that he would, but he could.
No one said anything about dumping it into a waterway.
 

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Well the next time the EPA sues a Texas municipality for its sewer infrastructure (and wins) we'll just tell them to hire two wax. He can show up to the courtroom with his piece of paper he printed off the internet and dazzel those dumb lawyers. It'll save them lots of money. It's simple.
What you’re describing above is exactly what the EPA does.

Not worry with a private individual septic system that’s acceptable to the local authority.

And as a Jeff has stated, no one has even hinted sewage would be dumped in the waterways.

The local authority said they didn’t care what type system he used, not that he could dump it and pollute the surrounding environment.

relax sport.......
 

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Do us a favor. Buy 25 Acres and sell some wells then tell all of the local farmers they can dump whatever pesticides or fertilizers they want into it. The local guy doesn't care. It's a great idea. No one will do anything.

Bacteria is regulated by the EPA. They don't care how it gets into us waters. If they find it they will track it.

The EPA is kind of like lightning. You don't really know where they'll strike, but you can bet how it'll act if it has a path.
 

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How deep would a septic system be?
Four feet, six feet?
Not many water wells are dug that shallow, the local aquifer can be fifty feet or 500 feet down from the surface.
I’m sure the official who advised the OP about septic is aware of the local groundwater situation.
 

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You guys can believe what you want. The reality is that here there are special interest groups dedicated to fighting the EPA on stuff like this. They try to get me to sign onto their mailinh lists so that every two to four years when there are elections they can tell me who to vote for. They sit at their station at the gun show and tell epa horror stories. It's a thing whether you believe it or not.
 

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I'm also in MO. The county rep. may not care, but DNR does. and as previously mentioned, EPA does.
How long have you been in the septic snd plumbing business ? And how many interactions have you had with the EPA about a residential onsite sewage disposal system ?

Just curious .....

I’ve never seen an EPA agent and neither has two of my county septic inspectors that have been inspecting for a combined 52 yrs.

Also, if you read the thread, no one is advocating that any laws be broken.

The OP has permission based upon the law and the local government to build any type onsite sewage disposal system that he wishes. I’m sure the local government is obeying the law.

I have no reason to believe otherwise.
 
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Since I live in MO, I am aware that there are areas where things can become lax, until a problem occurs that draws attention. (This pertains to more than water and wastewater) As I've said, I am DIY. I've built several structures with plumbing. Some counties are up-to-speed and have adequate funding; others are not. I am familiar with EPA regulations and enforcement (and lack of) for water and wastewater, but not because I am a DIY plumber. I am "PerplexedPlumber", not "ProfessionalPlumber".

When people are given bad advice from local resources, and they want do do something that they may have inklings that are not correct, it would be worth a call to DNR to get a "second opinion" rather than having to tear things out and redo that work. Also, when a new septic system is put in, our county requires a minimum of 1000 gal. for two people/2 bedrooms, 1200 for 3 bedrooms, . . . 500 gal. is not allowed even for a cabin. It is my understanding that those minimums are set by DNR. The ground here is mainly karst, with a lot of channels for migration, and the biological activity that needs to occur in a septic tank requires sufficient volume to allow time for digestion.

Missouri has beautiful natural resources, including clear rivers in the southern part of the state. The groundwater in the southern part of the state is wonderful, unlike neighboring states with a large scale of corporate agricultural issues. Check out this blog on Iowa, for example: The Swine and the Swill. And if you don't think what happens in other states affects you, take a look at this: Scientists find that most nitrogen in the Gulf of Mexico comes from coastal waters The algal blooms that kill aquatic life also lead to the ingestion of toxins by mussels and shellfish that can kill people who eat those. "Keep it clean!" applies to what you can't see as well as what is obvious. What you put into a food or water system (water or soil) eventually comes back around in one way or another.
 

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All that’s good but ultimately the EPA lets the local government dictate the rules on residential onsite disposal.

It’s right there on the EPA’s website.

The local authority said any type system that works is fine. That means within the rules.

It’s simple, no need to complicate simple things.

He contacted the proper authority already......Some people don’t think that’s enough. 🤡

I do.....and so do my local inspectors.

Because that’s who has the authority.
 
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I love the two wax motto. "I have no experience with this yet I'll argue for three days over it, that way I get the last word to save face."
 

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I love the two wax motto. "I have no experience with this yet I'll argue for three days over it, that way I get the last word to save face."
Everything I’ve posted is true. You’re not arguing a point, you’re arguing with me.

You can have your own opinion but you can’t have your own facts.

I’ve had years of experience JG. That’s why I help so many people on this forum and I’m thanked for it.
 

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I think you should read more. Maybe not chime in with slightly worse advise.
 

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All that’s good but ultimately the EPA lets the local government dictate the rules on residential onsite disposal.

It’s right there on the EPA’s website.

The local authority said any type system that works is fine. That means within the rules.

It’s simple, no need to complicate simple things.

He contacted the proper authority already......Some people don’t think that’s enough. 🤡

I do.....and so do my local inspectors.

Because that’s who has the authority.
fyi: In MO, DNR has this authority, as long as it meets EPA minimum requirements. DNR is State, not local.
 

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fyi: In MO, DNR has this authority, as long as it meets EPA minimum requirements. DNR is State, not local.
If you’ll read my posts you’ll see that’s what the EPA website posts.

State, Tribal, local.

It’s all local compared to The EPA. The EPA is federal.

Why is everyone trying to tell this poster that the EPA has jurisdiction?

They don’t.......

Thank you.
 

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Name one location in the United states where the local private residential onsite sewage disposal codes do not meet minimum EPA standards.

Good luck.
 
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