Gas water heater vent

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  1. Mar 26, 2018 #21

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    Dang. I just put in a 50 power vent for my buddy Saturday. My cost on the heater 870 delivered and I charged him 100. It took 2 hours because the gas pipe was different by 5" and I had to rework the pvc exhaust. We put his old 50 power vent at the curb, scrap guys will get it. I guess i let him off cheap.
     
  2. Mar 26, 2018 #22

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    The difference is that you can look yourself in the mirror and know that you treated people fairly.

    I understand that larger businesses have higher costs, but a 100% markup on the appliance AND $1100 installation fee is ridiculous, in my opinion!

    That is why I learned how to replace water heaters myself.
     
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    I know they have to make money and I have no overhead helping a friend, I was done in 2 hours and I am a little rusty. So 2 hours at 1100 is quite the markup.

    Years back I was doing service for my friend's company and he was charging 800 for a 40 regular vent and our cost was 260. I tried to tell him to lower his price and we would do more heaters. We were 80 to 100 dollars higher than anyone else in the area.

    I know the price of heaters has doubled since and is going up again.
     
  4. Mar 27, 2018 #24

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    This water heater is connected to the air handler since it has a return loop and heats up the house (hydro heating). I had to do all new piping. I also put a SS flexible line past the vent, not pictured and also insulation not pictured.

    I looked up retail cost of water heater online after I replaced it and it was $1100, but that price was posted in a forum in 2012 and the prices might have gone up since. I bought it at Ferguson. Just found it online for $1,689.

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    Yes, there is a big difference between a Power Vent and a Direct Vent like you have.
     
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    I picked a Bradford White 50 gallon power vent for 850 2 weeks ago. I did a same but no power vent yesterday and the price for the heater was 500 my cost
     
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    So your saying the first WH was a power vent and the second one was a regular vent into a chimney?
     
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    Yes 2 different buddies. One had a 50 power vent the other went from a 40 to 50 regular vent.
     
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    All I can say to you is that in Canada where I am from, Edmonton Alberta, you have to have 4" double wall B-vent for the venting and you need to have a minimum of 12" of rigid pipe coming off the inlet and outlet of the tank. But those are just the rules here so I can't comment on your jurisdiction.

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    Atmospheric vent vs direct vent. An atmospheric vent requires a slope of at least 1/4” per foot, and a lot of codes say you have to come up straight either 4-12” can’t rember before the slope starts. And most atmospheric venting requires double wall B pipe. PVC is used a lot for direct venting.

    I thought direct vent had a blower and that’s how it’s able to expel the exhaust?
     
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    Power vent has a blower and is vented in PVC around here.
     
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    [​IMG]
    ProLine® SLDirect Vent 50-Gallon Gas Water Heater
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    The FVIR-compliant ProLine® Direct Vent gas water heater is to designed to draw air from outside the home, eliminating problems caused by insufficient indoor ventilation. The unit has horizontal air intake and venting on all models up to 80” from the outside wall with no electrical power needed.

    Featuring a 50-gallon (nominal) tank and a 47,000 BTU gas burner, the GS6-50-YRDSL Direct Vent delivers a first hour rating of 83 gallons and a recovery rate of 51 gallons per hour. With an 0.65 Uniform Energy Factor. It carries a 6-year limited tank warranty, and meets Low NOx emission requirements.

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    you are properly vented
     
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    Your manual says a ninety degree bend “maximum” is allowed. So, as long as you connected the inner and outer tube correctly and you used the correct heat resistant silicone your good. Did you use the restrictor plate that they talked about?
     
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    I just came across this thread. A bid old but here's my 2 cents worth.
    The older direct vent heaters had none flexible inner and outer vents.
    What a pain to install.
    When replacing and even older failed one, the newer ones dimensions where off a bit and the hole through wall, sometimes concrete/cinder blocks, had to be modified.
    Those with the flex vent are an awesome improvement.
    Your vent is okay. there is a set of springs inside between the inner and outer vent to maintain an even gap between the 2.

    For those how are asking about a draft hood. There is none.
    This is a direct vent heater. draws all combustion air from outside.
    Does NOT require a vent to terminate above the roof, but there are restriction to proximity to doors and windows.
     
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    That was weird. The 2 previous post before mine where not there when I started compiling my reply.
    Was wondering way a thread that was last posted to in March was near the top of the new post list.
     

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