Adding a drain line off of a clean out ?

[gee]

Hello,

I want to put a utility sink in my garage. Water lines are there already but no drain line. I'm in NV so freezing temps isn't an issue.

Just seeking general advice at this point. I have a clean-out opposite my garage (about 20 ft or so away - PIC attached). Can I hook into this clean-out with a Tee or sanity wye or some such fitting and add a new drain line to my garage ? The 20ft or so I need to run would be above ground along my patio wall. I would maintain a proper slope and add a vent inside the garage at the new utility sink. I would like to run the least diameter pipe that code would allow.

Is this a "No-No" or is this a legit method for adding a drain line ? Any and all thoughts/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

(ignore the white bar in front of the clean-out, it's just from a patio table sitting there at the moment)

Thanks,

gs

 

[FishScreener]

It has to be buried. Which jurisdiction in the Vegas metro are you in?

And it does occaisionally freeze there. they had a freeze in 1993, which broke sprinkler lines and manifolds all over teh valley. The LVVWD lost above ground valves, and homeowners had built their sprinkler systems with out an inside or freeze protected shut offs. There was water running everywhere, and the LVVWD had to send out everybody, even secretaries and Personell clerks to shut off people meters until the could have someone make enough repairs the water could be turned back on. It was about A week before everyone was back on.

 

[gee]

Thanks !

"has to be buried" OK.

The reason I wanted to surface mount is two-fold: 1) The patio between my garage and the clean-out is concrete and I really, really, really wanted to avoid excavating the concrete, if possible. And 2) If you can tell from the pic, the clean-out (and the run behind it) is at roughly the same level as my garage floor. If I somehow hook into it below ground, than (and this maybe a stupid question but I'm NOT a plumber) how do I maintain a downward slope TO the drain line ?

I'm in 89121 near Boulder Station Casino. I'm in a townhouse and the "ground" outside my patio wall is not my property (it's a common area) so any excavation would require bust'n concrete.

 

[Jeff Handy]

You could maybe install a laundry tray pump system.
If there is a route to get the discharge into the existing drains inside the condo.

Are there any drain lines in the wall behind the proposed sink?

 

[gee]

Jeff,

I'm pretty certain the clean out in the pic is the end of the line, and so there are no drain lines in the garage.

I'll have to look into a "laundry tray pump system". I'm guessing this is like one of those pump systems they use when putting in a new bathroom in a basement ?

So even with a pump of some sort, I still have to route the discharge to the drain line. Is it acceptable to run a "discharge line" of some sort above ground as opposed to a drain pipe ? Punching a hole in the back of the garage and another hole into my kitchen wall is doable, but do I still need to bury the run under my patio ?

Thanks.

 

[Jeff Handy]

Make a diagram showing the floor plan of garage and condo, and proposed sink.

 

[gee]

Here's a diagram, but it's pretty basic. There's the kitchen/house, there's a wall and on the wall is cleanout on the patio side of the wall, then there's the patio (it's about 20 ft or so to the garage wall, then there's the garage. I want to put the new utility sink in the garage. It can really go anywhere in the garage I choose to put it, but the most logical place is along the back wall (anywhere along the back wall I choose).

The patio is like a small courtyard. There's an 8 ft high cinder block wall on either side. Right now my water heater and the street source of water are both located in the garage (but there are NO DRAINS, NO DRAIN LINES in the garage).

I need to run a drain of some type from the garage back to the house for draining the proposed utility sink. I don't want to have to excavate concrete if I can avoid it.

Whether it's code or not the hot water line from the garage back to the house IS ABOVE GROUND and runs along the cinder block wall. The cold water line is below ground. But these are water lines and there are NO drain lines in the garage.

 

[Jeff Handy]

You don’t show a washing machine.

If that will be in the garage, that might affect your plans.

What about just dumping the slop sink water out into your yard, or into a drywell?

Or make a gravel garden and run the water into that. Right along your foundation.
If it’s just occasional water, no biggie.
You could sneak a perforated pipe into a trench and backfill with gravel with dirt over it.

If there are shrubs outside the garage already, maybe you could hide a drain in the mulch.

Or run it into landscape beds as free irrigation?

Check the condo bylaws, it is a long shot but worth investigating.

If you do decide to put in a drain along the same route as the hot water line, against code, you could hide it (and insulate both) with a long treated wood planter box or planters mixed in with some benches, with the pipes concealed by framing.

Or mix in some stacked precast stone planters, or even a small water feature.
Hiding the line, and jazzing up the patio at the same time.