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:eek: Ahh, but the kids using half a roll of paper just cause only God know why. The bigger traps and traps that are glazed inside do handle large loads better.

havasu and all - My understanding as to the issues with PB pipe was the fittings and connections to those fittings would leak over time if not installed correctly. m I remembering this correctly? The problem wasnt in the PB pipe per se. Also, as I recal, IF the PB fittings were installed...

Weird - I would love to see a picture of it. Close up and a wide shot showing it in context. I have no idea. I have never heard of a valve on a drain. Ten inches is a big handle.

I had a really crazy toilet fill valve. It was shooting water up in the air!!! I video taped it along with the replacement process. I hope people find this useful. Comments are appreciated. Check out the video here (click link or picture) Handyguys Video – Toilet Repair – Fill Valve Replacement