Leaks on gas pipe, any advice?

[Mr_David]

Originally Posted by Chris

I hope something productive is going on here because this is way to much reading for myself.

WOW! I haven't spent a lot of time here on PF lately and this has been an interesting read. I like reading CHRISM comments even though they are long sometimes.

[CHRISM]

Originally Posted by Mr_David

WOW! I haven't spent a lot of time here on PF lately and this has been an interesting read. I like reading CHRISM comments even though they are long sometimes.

"Hello Mr_David",

Thank You for your comment - I appreciate that you are not stating that You necessarily agree with anything that I Wrote - But in any case - "Thanks".

Regards,

Chris

[LiQuId]

Originally Posted by CHRISM

"Hello Liquid",

As a `Master of Science` in Building Services Engineering I could not have ever agreed to Installing a Threaded Joint on Mild Steel Pipework WITHOUT Jointing Compound.

BUT - I would have had the SAME Conviction over 40 Years ago as an Apprentice Plumber - and ever since.

I wish that I had just NOT entered into this argument with You - I have NOT enjoyed the process - which has been a Total waste of My Time - This has almost literally been like arguing that `Black was White`.

Although You may think otherwise I have NEVER had ANY `Vindictive` motive against You personally for continuing the argument.

Although it probably seems otherwise I have NEVER written My Posts to `WIN` this argument - My motive has always been to have the Correct Jointing Procedure Posted on here - as far as My Plumbing - Heating & Gas Pipework knowledge is concerned.

As I stated IF I receive a Reply from The United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing, Pipefitting and Sprinkler Fitting Industry of the United States and Canada - I will Post their response on here - Whatever they write.

Otherwise I will not prolong this `Futile Argument`.

I realise that You will obviously have some animosity towards Me but I hope that this will not lead to an Adversarial Situation between Us on this Forum.


CHRISM

No worrys, I appreciate those that have desire and passion for what they do and you and I are chalk full of that I believe. I hold no animosity towards you, you are free to express yourself how you desire, as am I. I hope that you understand that I would never give advice that i considered to be bad, and perhaps i shat in the bed on the pinhole solution but I am not at work when on here, I am doing this purely for entertainment and learning and I perhaps i felt a bruised ego as I am maticulous to ensure that when i leave a job that there is nothing more or better I could do to fix the problem at hand.

[CHRISM]

Originally Posted by LiQuId

No worrys, I appreciate those that have desire and passion for what they do and you and I are chalk full of that I believe. I hold no animosity towards you, you are free to express yourself how you desire, as am I. I hope that you understand that I would never give advice that i considered to be bad, and perhaps i shat in the bed on the pinhole solution but I am not at work when on here, I am doing this purely for entertainment and learning and I perhaps i felt a bruised ego as I am maticulous to ensure that when i leave a job that there is nothing more or better I could do to fix the problem at hand.

"Hell LiQuId",

Thank You for those comments - I can assure You that I will NOT be Arguing with You again on here about any matter.

"Good Luck in Your Career".


CHRISM

[CHRISM]

"Hello All",

This is with reference to something that I stated in one of My Posts on this subject - this happened when Liquid and I were Arguing which has now Ended - this is just an `Update` about the Organisation that I stated I had tried to Contact to obtain Information about the `Jointing Methods` that our Argument was about.

This is NOT to restart any Argument about this subject - it is just to mention that what I read to be the Largest Governing Body for Plumbers - Pipe Fitters etc. in the U.S. and Canada did NOT even have the Courtesy to Reply to My Emails.


I mentioned in one of My Posts about this subject about trying to Contact:


`The United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing, Pipefitting and Sprinkler Fitting Industry of the United States and Canada`.

I submitted My Email Address on their website - expecting that I would receive a Reply - I did NOT - I did this again - still NO Reply.

I also Emailed them and stated that I am a Building Services Engineer based in the U.K. - could I receive a reply Please in order to have someone to ask a couple of questions about Black Iron Threaded Pipework in the U.S. and Canada.

Despite sending a couple of `Reminder Emails` - They did NOT have the `Professional Courtesy` to Reply to Me.

I even wrote that if the Email Address that I was writing to was just the Administration Department - where only Office Staff were based [No Staff with Technical Knowledge ?] - could they Please send Me an Email Address that I could write to and ask My Questions.

I have to conclude that this Organisation does not operate in a `Professional` way.

I am not particularly irritated that they did not reply to Me - I am irritated that they would Refuse to Reply to ANY Email Contact.

I thought that I might have a redundant Email Address for them - but I do not think that is the case - But even that would NOT explain why I was NOT Replied to when I left My Email Address on the website `Contact Section`.

These Enquiries were made when I was Arguing with Liquid - at THAT Time I was `Persevering` in trying to get Confirmation [or otherwise] of what I was stating to be Correct - This Post is NOT to `Open Up` the Argument again.


I just thought that as I had stated that `I would Post a Copy of any Reply from them - whatever it contained` - words to that effect - I would let People on here know that I did not receive a Reply to My Emails.


CHRISM

[superfitter]

Here in the good old USA we teach our union apprentices pipe threading. during the class we use plain old axle grease as a thread lubricant, not a thread sealer. grease isn't a sealer just a lubricant. It wont leak, provided that the threads are correctly made and aren't overtightened. We do this for two reasons.
# 1) to prove that correctly threaded joints will seal without a sealant
# 2) we use grease also to make it easy to disassemble.

I have in a pinch and in a hurry, dry threaded natural gas, propane, and air fittings without leaks and held up to 24 hour pressure test.

UA pipefitter 27 years. pipefitter 36 years.

[CHRISM]

Originally Posted by superfitter

Here in the good old USA we teach our union apprentices pipe threading. during the class we use plain old axle grease as a thread lubricant, not a thread sealer. grease isn't a sealer just a lubricant. It wont leak, provided that the threads are correctly made and aren't overtightened. We do this for two reasons.
# 1) to prove that correctly threaded joints will seal without a sealant
# 2) we use grease also to make it easy to disassemble.

I have in a pinch and in a hurry, dry threaded natural gas, propane, and air fittings without leaks and held up to 24 hour pressure test.

UA pipefitter 27 years. pipefitter 36 years.

"Hello superfitter",


So can you please confirm that You would Install GAS Pipework using threaded Joints WITHOUT using any Jointing Compound - ?


CHRISM

[johnjh2o]

All he is saying is that the threads are the main thing that seals the joint not the joint compound. For some reason that point seams to escape you.

John

[CHRISM]

Originally Posted by johnjh2o

All he is saying is that the threads are the main thing that seals the joint not the joint compound. For some reason that point seams to escape you.

John

"Hello John",


What escapes Me is the ridiculous situation on here where a few of the Members are stating their `Facts` about the `Threads Seal the Joint not Jointing Compound` - BUT I CANNOT get any of You to state categorically:

`I WOULD INSTALL THREADED JOINT PIPEWORK FOR GAS WITHOUT ANY JOINTING COMPOUND`


In superfitter`s statement about the method that Apprentice`s are taught in the `Good Old U.S` - the Use of Axle Grease on the Threads is OBVIOUSLY helping to SEAL the Joints - whether that is the object or Not ! - Axle Grease would be a GOOD Temporary Seal for Pipework in a Teaching Environment - Obviously NOT as a Permanant Seal - and NOT a ANY kind of `Seal` for GAS Pipework !


The stating that `We have fitted Threaded Pipework without any Jointing Compound without any leaks` - Does NOT make that the Correct Method of installing Threaded Pipework.


By the way NOTHING MUCH `Escapes Me` - Especially the stating of Incorrect Methods of Pipework Installation.


I HAD Ended this `Discussion` after My Arguments with Liquid - But I assume that superfitter saw My Post about :

`The United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing, Pipefitting and Sprinkler Fitting Industry of the United States and Canada`

and He then Posted His message / reply to what He had read on here about this subject - I then replied asking Him My Question.


And I then replied to You John.


CHRISM

[Chris]

CHRISM,

What Superfitter was stating was just how they teach cutting threads and what they use to teach. He also stated he has in a pinch installed dry fittings using the threads to seal the pipe. I am pretty sure he does not do this on a regular basis because mainly, why would you? You have to realize that sometimes in real life things are not done 100% by the book.

I am going to lock this thread from any more argument/discussion since that is not what it was started for. If you would like to compare/criticize or question methods of work please start a thread in the proper area.