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Old 02-17-2010, 02:08 AM   #11
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Can someone answer me on one question? I know floride is added to municipal water supplies. Do private wells offer the same? By looking at the lack of teeth and rotten teeth, is England all on private wells with non-floridated water?
I have seen labs tests where high levels of fluoride occur naturally.

I have never known of a system to put fluoride in wells. Most people I know take their children to a dentist for fluoride treatments.

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Old 02-17-2010, 02:34 AM   #12
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Many city water systems IS well water. We have drilled a few for cities.

There is no way non-potable water can get in a properly constructed and grouted water well.


Correct. But you know, as well as I do, how many wells are dug and once installed, never maintained or checked out for "issues" until they go in disrepair affecting the flow of water.


If you want me to knock public water systems...here it goes:


When you hear of a situation whereby "The water company hooked a water main to a sewer line"


and think that is totally uncalled for?


It's not, and I'll tell you why:


Ductile iron closes up the same as galvanized water lines commonly found in homes for water distribution.

In my days of brief "time" dealing with larger tap ins to main water supply lines, and replacing a few 3" plantmasters at Kahn's in Cincinnati Ohio...

I'll tell you that the condition of that piping is horrific over time, and the look and smell of that piping is so close to the smell and look of sewage that you would never think that water main was not a sewer line, seriously.

In my area the water distribution system is about to embrace its first overhaul in 59 years, and it comes with a massive cost.


Other considerations of public water supply distribution:

High chlorine levels

Extreme high water pressures

Corrosive water (high or low ph is aggressive to copper piping systems)

Contaminations when repairs or breaks in the supply distribution


And the worst?


Cross connections and/or backflow situations

A search on the above bold text will show you how your neighbor, a city, a business or a factory can introduce the "bad" stuff into the network of a large piping system and do harm or cause sickness, personal injury with what we bathe in, drink, cook with and various other applications.

No perfect water supply out there, but the majority prefer constants in expenditures and the ability to blame another when things go wrong.

If any of you knew how many 1000's of dollars I've made by the simple nail into the eductor head of a pump where the brass fitting is that serves the 1/8" line to send the message to the pump switch...


you'd be pissed, knowing how such a small spec of rust glazing over that fitting can be so easily resolved with a simple poke through, system starts operating again.

Tons of pressure switches I've replaced countless times, along with the brady air volume controls for the non-bladder type tanks.

That's right; I'm that old and that's all we had back in the day.
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Old 02-17-2010, 02:43 AM   #13
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We don't dig, we drill. Then we pump high pressure grout the entire length of the casing.

Unless the casing is broke, and I have seen it break from a car hit. No maintenance is needed to the well.

Of course, in time the pump will have to be replaced.
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Old 02-17-2010, 03:28 PM   #14
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Most of the well water used for city water is simply aerated to remove the rotten egg odor and filtered to get the iron out. The hardness is still there and is up to you to remove. The chlorine, ammonia and fluoride are added later. Those are also up to you to remove if you object to them.

I always thought if you wanted Fluoride you could get it at the Dentist's office, not in your drinking water.

Well water from deep sources is as safe as it was 100 years ago. The only people talking about how bad well water is are softener salesmen and anybody else who has an agenda.

As far as treating sewage, what ever happened to septic systems. They work wonders for treating sewage and don't cost much at all to operate.

Using the fact that power outages are a big deal with well water. What about all these water line breaks we hear about that takes out a whole city block at the same time then people are boiling their water for the next week until the chlorine gets back into the lines.

You can argue both sides of the debate, but for my money I'll stick to my well. I don't like chemicals in my water whether I drink it or not. You still have to bathe in it and for those that don't know, you get as much if not more contamination through your pours and into your bloodstream than you do by ingesting water.

One more thing. I agree that pressure switches are one of the biggest problems with a well system. Ants, Lizards and Frogs in my State are the culprits. Bladder tanks are also a problem if you don't know what brands to buy. In my opinion there are a lot more bad ones out there than there are good ones. I recommend two brands only. If you haven't figured out what those two brands are yet, you are part of the problem.

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Old 02-17-2010, 03:37 PM   #15
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This is my favorite system.

YouTube - Grundfos SQE video

No old fashion pressure switch.
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This is one of our hook ups.

Four gallon tank, computer controlled. Any amount of pressure you want up to about 35 GPM.

Then we switch to a sub drive system. Still no problem getting it.

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I don't have any experience in wells but I do install city lines for a living so of course I am for them. I have heard of the hooking up to a sewer line but they are not under pressure so you would not get anything out of it unless it was a force main which is very rare unless the sewage must flow uphill to the treatment facility. I have heard of more cases of contractors hooking up to the reclaimed line on accident on lines that were installed before they required purple pipe, That water is technically safe to drink although I wouldn't even if you paid me. I have seen many of water lines that are just disgusting and the amount of chlorine it would take to clean them would make it not drinkable. I don't drink tap water just because I see the lines it goes through to get to my home. One day I hope to live in an area that I can at least experience well water I know alot of people on well and they love it, especially for irrigation purposes. My bill for water in the summer months is about $200 and I don't have all that much watering and that does not include sewer.
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Regarding the Grundfos Video....that was good information but I had a hard time dealing with the bad acting and boring narration. I felt as if I was in my eighth grade cafeteria watching a sexual education film clip!

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I don't have any experience in wells but I do install city lines for a living so of course I am for them. I have heard of the hooking up to a sewer line but they are not under pressure so you would not get anything out of it unless it was a force main which is very rare unless the sewage must flow uphill to the treatment facility. I have heard of more cases of contractors hooking up to the reclaimed line on accident on lines that were installed before they required purple pipe, That water is technically safe to drink although I wouldn't even if you paid me. I have seen many of water lines that are just disgusting and the amount of chlorine it would take to clean them would make it not drinkable. I don't drink tap water just because I see the lines it goes through to get to my home. One day I hope to live in an area that I can at least experience well water I know alot of people on well and they love it, especially for irrigation purposes. My bill for water in the summer months is about $200 and I don't have all that much watering and that does not include sewer.
Wow!! $200!!! I heat and cool my home in Michigan for about that a month. Last month my electric bill was $206.87. A four bedroom house. I use a Geo system and my water well.
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Regarding the Grundfos Video....that was good information but I had a hard time dealing with the bad acting and boring narration. I felt as if I was in my eighth grade cafeteria watching a sexual education film clip!
LOL Stop by the house sometime. I will show you live.

The well system, not sex ed.
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